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jan's funny farm

This is a subject that just breaks my heart -- to think of the wonderful animals killed in shelters. Killing animals in shelters seems to be just another step into killing people others have no immediate use for.

Denny

"The ultimate goal of animal rights organizations is to eliminate pets and other domestic animals." I honestly didn't know this. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

YesBiscuit!

All good info Jan. Anyone who questions the "25% purebred" claim need only take a stroll through their local shelter(s) and see for themselves.
Another good one to get out there: Responsible breeders do NOT add to the shelter population in this country.

Ted

The only way to stop the senseless killing in shelters is to expose the HSUS and the groups that oppose no kill shelters for what they are. There are more dog lovers than animal rights loonies, it is important that we stsay informed and united.

Sue

An interesting read! I have one shelter dog, and one that came from a very good breeder. Kip's breed is rare, and not popular in N. America so would not be easily found in a shelter. Both are loved, and happy dogs :)

Linda Kaim

I have always questioned that number, coming from a protracted history of work in shelters in two counties over the last 6 years.

Pure breeds of dogs are for the most part a colorful (mis)interpretation of intake personnel; although well intentioned, they create fanciful histories in order to get dogs adopted.

In one shelter over the course of 48 months, if the number pushed 10% for any one year, that was a lot.

jackie

*dropping drawers and marking a spot on her large ass with a marking pen, so peta and hs can know exactly where i'd like them to kiss..

cube

I'm sorry to bring politics into your dog blog, but goshdarnit, most of the time, it's the well-intentioned liberal nonsense that gets us into these idiotic predicaments. Of course it's a good thing to encourage folks to save a shelter dog (my dog niece, Pumpkin, is a perfect example), but to revile perfectly law-abiding dog breeders sounds like the nanny state gone wild politics of the left. This is not rational behavior.

OK, I'll get off my soapbox now.

Tony

Very interesting post. I never thought about the point you made about claims of purebrededness "Unless a dog comes into a shelter holding his AKC pedigree in his teeth, there is no way anyone can tell for sure if the dog is purebred."

rosemary

Our shelter doggie, Charlie, was in fact a registered triple coat Lab. Very long story about how we found that out....but our issue was that the local shelter said he was a year old, he was at least 6, was fully trained...he was but had separation issues that of course no one but the ass that dumped him at the shelter knew.....and made other claims that were not accurate. It didn't matter....we loved him and still do. It would have made no difference if he had been a triple coat or a no coat.....

Hillary

The 25% figure for purebreds in shelters wasn't made up by the HSUS; it comes from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Applied Animal Welfare. The article describes the characteristics of shelter-relinquished animals and their owners. Researchers collected data from 12 shelters in four different regions in the United States. Check out http://www.petpopulation.org/characteristicsofshelter.pdf.

Of course there is going to be variation among different shelters in terms of the percentage of purebred dogs. Twenty-five percent is a very general estimate, but at least it's a starting point. Before you point fingers, do your research.


jan

Hillary:

Thank you for pointing out the errors of my ways.

The HSUS website estimates that 25% of dogs in shelters are purebred dogs without citing any basis for this contention. I have read numerous sources that quote HSUS making this statement, which unfortunately is quoted so often people accept it as truth.

If, in fact, HSUS is basing this figure on an 9-year-old study of a limited number of shelters,(12 shelters) then I think they need to update their information or explain where this figure came from.

So before you start pointing fingers, I think your organization should use some of your millions to gather more up to date facts and stop misleading people with false information.

Wyvonnia

If you watch this video from 2004, (http://www.hsus.org/video_clips/page.jsp?itemID=27258946) it states that in the Montgomery County Shelter outside of Washington, D.C., 40% of animals at the shelter are purebreds. It is the veterinarian at these shelters that typically determines the breed of dog/cat when a general health examine is administered. AKC papers are not needed to make this common sense determination.

After 101 dalmations was released, hundreds of dalmations ended up at shelters. To verify this, just email the dalmation rescues throughout the country and ask them how full their rescues were because many county shelters relied upon rescue groups to lessen the burden of incoming dalmations.

Your blog today almost sounds as if you are breeders. I'm a fan of responsible and caring breeders. I don't think we have enough of them because so many breeders are in it for the money. I just spoke with a former breeder (to do a little research) and this person said that he didn't care who bought the dog or what kind of home it was going to, he just bred for the money. He raised Cocker Spaniels, Rotties, Alaskan Malamutes, and Pomeranians. This is NOT an example of a responsible breeder. I spoke with a responsible breeder this evening as well. She is no longer in the business, but she was known for her exceptional breed and the love and care that she gave to the pups. She interviewed homes and had contracts completed that if the dog did not work out, the dog was not to be taken to a shelter but returned to her. Talking to the breeder that was in it for the money, he said that 9 out of the 10 breeders he knew, and that he acquired his breeds from, were in it for the money. Funny thing is, both these breeders know of one another and the man thinks the woman who used to breed and was choosy in the homes she placed the pups "was crazy". I know of a breeder in Southwest Missouri who breeds Malamutes. He was a full-time state employee and breeding Malamutes was his "retirement plan". He was considered by some people to be a caring and responsible breeder because he seemed to care about his dogs and was happy to take any back that didn't work out. However, this same "responsible breeder" had one of his females die of a heartattack because he bred her one heat right after the other. So, unfortunately, what constitutes a responsible breeder is left up to interpretation and sadly, the bar is low because of the many puppy mills throughtout our nation.

If you read this HSUS article http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_adoption_information/adopting_from_an_animal_shelter.html from January 2009, you will notice is states "purebreds account for about 25 to 30 percent of a shelter's dog population". Also, the article states that "Many pets at your local shelter are waiting for new homes because they were obtained by someone with unrealistic expectations of the time, effort, and money required to sustain a lifelong relationship with their pet. National figures indicate that about half of the animals in shelters are euthanized for lack of homes."

I'm always disappointed when people come down upon an organization such as the HSUS because they encourage people to adopt a dog from a shelter (purebreed or mixed - they are all without a home and in danger of being killed). Don't you think that there are other organizations your time and energy could be better spent on criticitizing? Why do you feel HSUS is being deceptive with their percentages? Do YOU have the correct percentage? Do you deal with shelters throughout the U.S. and ask them to complete surveys on how many of the dogs coming through their doors AND being put up for adoption are purebreds?

I volunteer at our local shelter on almost a daily basis and just based on this one shelter alone, at least 20% (sometimes more) of the dogs in this shelter are purebreeds. These dogs along with many others have a note on their kennel door that states the owner surrendered the dog because "they just didn't have time for him/her". Or "the previous owner couldn't afford to care for the dog anymore" and so on.

As far as the person you have had an email conversation with who was looking for a purebred shelter poodle within a 50-mile radius, I think it is commendable that this person wanted to "rescue" rather than "buy". I'm sorry she wasn't put in touch with many purebred poodle rescues throughout the U.S. because many reputable rescues have transport volunteers who try to help get a dog to their new home even if it is several states away. It sounds like she had a very happy ending by finding a poodle on Craigslist, where many dogs are listed and whether these dogs are for free or for sale, they are "for free or for sale" because their current guardian cannot take care of them anymore and if a loving and caring home is available (such as your friend) than everyone wins. I'm sure this is one less dog that would end up in a shelter because someone bought it before the owner got tired of looking for a home and just gave it to the local shelter as many people do.

One thing I would like for you to consider. Many dogs whether purebred or mixed, are being taken to their local shelter because families are losing their homes due to foreclosure and forced to lived in temporary dwellings such as a rental. Most rentals don't accept pets. So, the family has to make the tough decision to give up their dog. Many families may post on Craigslist, the local newspaper, bulletin boards, vet offices, etc. When time has run out and no one responds, they have one choice known to them....local shelter. It's too bad that so many people are not aware of all the wonderful rescues (breed specific or not) that would assist them in re-homing their one time family member. The economy will continue to spiral and our beloved pets will be the ones to suffer.

So when you write a post on your blog like this, know that you can be misunderstood and cause damage and harm to people's perception of these organizations. I'm not saying that the HSUS is perfect, however, it is their mission to help rather than to hinder. I agree that there are some crazy animal activists out there and should be reigned in. However, critizing an organization who is trying to educate the public on the vast number of dogs and cats available for adoption at shelters - even purebred ones. They give this percentage (whether it is a solid verified number or not) to inform people that if they are looking for a particular breed - check out your local shelter before you buy one. By rescuing a dog from a shelter, you are opening up a kennel to hold another homeless dog. When kennels are completely full, dogs are euthanized due to space limitations. That is what the mantra means when it is said "when you buy a purebred dog, a shelter dog dies".

Overall, I must congratulate you for bringing up this very important issue that should be discussed among us animal lovers (not crazies) and support "saving a life". I have four dogs and love my mixed-breeds and my purebreds. I love all animals (especially dogs) and feel that all of us could learn a lot from their unconditional and non-judgmental ways. Please keep up the good work and let's all keep in mind that whether you buy a dog or rescue a dog, make it a true member of your family and encourage others to do the same.

jan

Wynonnia:

Thank you for your interest and for your volunteer work in shelters.

And, no, I am not a breeder, but I believe responsible breeders should not be subjected to stupid laws, I believe in No Kill shelters, I believe that dogs confiscated in dog fighting operations should be evaluated before being killed.

And those are the differences I have with HSUS.

Wyvonnia

I concur 100%. Like I said, the HSUS is not perfect, but I applaud any and every institution that tries to educate and promote adopting rather than buying a pet because of the number of animals being put to sleep every day. It's more than my heart can take at times. I'm thankful for the many rescue groups that try to compensate for the many high-kill shelters throughout our country. Also, thank goodness for organizations such as Best Friends Animal Society for taking so many of the pitties that were confiscated from Michael Vick's property. They DO DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE FOR A DECENT LIFE. If only we had more places like that! Glad to have someone like you working hard to dig into our conciousness and question rather than just accept.

Wyvonnia

I just noticed something in my first comment. I made an error in typing. I meant to say "it sounds like you are FOR breeders" and what I said was "it sounds like you are breeders". Sorry for the confusion. I know that you are NOT a breeder, but I wanted to make the comment that it sounded like you were championing breeders. Just wanted to clarify that one :)

EmilyS

HELLO!!! Hillary: the point that PDF makes is that there is no way to know if a dog is purebred unless it has papers from a legitimate registry. FEW dogs that end up in shelters have these papers. Therefore any "estimate" about the percentage of purebred dogs in shelters is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY BOGUS. And repeating that statement can only have ulterior motives.

Wyvonnia: my head is spinning at your praising HSUS and at the same time applauding the efforts of BF and others in saving Vick's dogs. Are you truly not aware that HSUS wanted these dogs KILLED?

I just "love" when a blogger, or commenter is accused of being a breeder if she dares to defend purebred dogs. It's the mirror image of those people who accuse someone of being a PETAwhack if she dares to object to certain uses of domestic animals.

Wyvonnia

Good for you Emily for being involved. Yes, I am aware that the HSUS did want the Vick dog's killed. This was very disappointing, however, I believe in looking at the BIG PICTURE - not getting mired down in the muck with so many negatives. I think you should give credit where credit is due. Shame on them for several of their positions, however, Good for them for trying to educate the public and help save as many lives as possible. Again, remember what I said...they aren't perfect. No one is...not you, not me, not anyone. Just gotta make better efforts each day going forward. Use your energy for the positives and more can be accomplished.

Sling

Well,..this was fun.
I just wanted to say that I find the 25% pure-bred figure a little dubious.
I've known dogs that appeared in every way to be pure Rottweiler,only I also knew that the Sire was Rott,and the Dame was Lab mix...Like you said,without the actual pedigree,I think it's guess as guess can on the part of intake personell.
Should we get into the discussion about outcrossing as a means of adding vigor to the breed?..

Lynne

Very interesting blog post. I have always thought the below quote was a good one too...."A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

Lynne

Barb

Ooooh, great post! As a LONG time (25+ years) volunteer with shelters and rescues, this statistic really is a pet peeve of mine!!

I DO NOT have a problem with shelters labeling probable mixes as "purebreds". That is just good marketing, and shelters MUST be more pro-active about marketing if they are going to tap into the nearly insatiable demand for pets in this country. Count on it, soon on Petfinder you'll see an increase in "Portuguese Water Dogs" or "PWD mixes" up for grabs. Not because there is a sudden glut of those dogs, but because if you've got a fluffy, curly or open-coated black dog it's a label that will help attract attention and hopefully move the dog into a good home a little faster.

But it doesn't mean they really ARE purebred, or even part rare breed.

And as for the statement "It is the veterinarian at these shelters that typically determines the breed of dog/cat when a general health exam is administered. AKC papers are not needed to make this common sense determination."

The vets do often make a GUESS as to the breed of the dog (intake workers make the call most of the time in most shelters, actually), but that's not as simple a determination as you seem to think. And it takes a lot more than "common sense". Let's start with the fact that veterinarians are not - and never have been - experts in the identification of dog breeds. Sure, they can identify the common breeds if the individual is very typical - but 99% of the time they are just guessing. They certainly don't get any training in breed identification. Neither does the person working intake that day.

The closest thing to an "expert" on breed identification would be a licensed AKC or UKC judge, who is someone who HAS been trained in breed identification. And THAT person would still be guessing because in many cases it's just not possible to tell the difference between a mix from two similar breeds, and a poorly bred purebred. But at least the judge would know (and probably admit) that he or she were just guessing :-) Even the DNA tests out now have a really high error rate. It's just not that easy to tell FOR SURE if a dog is a purebred.

And again - when it's only a matter of marketing the dog, it doesn't matter. But when it's a matter of creating and using bogus statistics to try to keep people from producing or buying purebred dogs, then it DOES matter.

I'm not anti-mutt. I CERTAINLY am not anti-shelter, or anti-shelter dog. I AM anti-HSUS and anti-PETA, because they would take away my right to decide where I want to get my next dog, and what kind of dog that should be.

Linda Kaim

There are a lot of factors that must be included when researching these numbers.

Starting with the community; urban, suburban or rural helps to determine the type of dog one sees.

Since pits are often considered to be "pure bred" their numbers elevate intake numbers for purebred dogs in a lot of urban communities, followed by small dogs that may resemble the more common toy breed dogs.

Suburban communities will often see higher numbers of pure bred dogs since this community is considered more affluent and provides a greater range of dogs of the sporting and working/herding groups. Small breed dogs represent the lowest number of intakes unless by seizure but represent the largest number of dogs mis-identified as pure, as every curly coated white little dog is either a Poodle or Bichon, etc. Smooth tiny dogs are always Chihuahuas and so on.

The rural communities are more highly represented by Hounds, then working/herding breeds respectively. Most of the mixes (easily misrepresented as purebred due to phenotypical attributes of similar breeds) come from the urban or rural communities, are Animal Control pick-ups and represent the largest demographic.

Just because it is black, has drop ears and a tail does not make it a purebred Lab. Just because it has a traditional coat pattern of a German Shepherd Dog does not make it a German Shepherd Dog.

Part of my job as the Animal Care Super for the shelter I worked with for many years was to help decipher the nuances of breed "type" to it's employees. On intake every day before the dogs matriculated to the General Population area, we did a breed triage to help these people understand that many of the dogs they were looking at were not pure and to identify them as such was a disservice to the dog.

That's when the creative interpretations started. There is nothing wrong with being a Lab mix or a poodle mix, and as another poster stated, unless there in incontrovertible proof that the dog is of pure ancestry, it only goes to skew already inflated, bogus statistics.

Another thing I noticed was that the shelter statistics are parsed in such a way to reflect large numbers of dogs that simply don't exist. Recidivist dogs are counted twice as opposed to as a return to shelter, and often the numbers reflect differences as high as 20% depending on the time of year, regardless of the intake source. Dogs routinely picked up by Animal Control are a prime example of this. They are counted as one for every appearance, even though the same dog may have been picked up more than once in any reporting quarter.

The fact that shelter numbers are counted as "dogs and cats" in totality as opposed to "dogs" then "cats" which reflect a more accurate number. Cats outnumber dogs by a whopping 75%, but the issue seems always to be dogs.

Statistics can say anything one wants them to say. The impartiality to report accurately is skewed intentionally in many cases, either for county funding or politics.

Either way, it is damaging and with no accountability on the part of the reporting agency, it will continue to be so.

George Roach

WOW, Jan, what did you do with Pandora's box after you let this article out? I bet your readership count went way up, huh? Now, I wish I knew how these posters really felt about the issue. WOW, again, no candles under baskets here, huh?

Saint Lover

Dont even get me started! Good article by the way.

Lindsay

Wow, you sure got people riled up with this post, huh? I wish more people would look to shelters first when they want a purebred dog. I also wish they'd check Petfinder or other rescue groups for purebred dogs that need to be rehomed. So many of these dogs are well-trained and socialized, their owners just can't keep them anymore.

Still, like with the poodle example, there are certain breeds that you just won't find in a shelter. I will always adopt homeless animals that need a second chance. That's just me. But that doesn't mean I will always adopt from a shelter. My mutt Ace came straight from a family that nolonger wanted him. I took him and he never had to spend one night in a rescue or shelter.

My boyfriend on the other hand wants a purebred Swiss Mountain Dog. He has his heart set on one. I love dogs. Am I really going to say he can't have this breed just because I know we won't find one in a shelter? As soon as he points out a puppy to me in the paper or on a web site and says he wants one, I'll be like "Great, let's go!" Of course, we'll look on petfinder and Craigslist for a Swissy, but it is very, very rare that this breed ends up in rescue.

Tammy Graves

Interesting article. Before you wrote it did you actually visit a shelter? I have a pure breed basset hound, dropped off by a breeder at the age of three, he was "tired" of breeding and wanted to move to the beach. She was put in a kennel beside the 6 pure breed beagles at the end of hunting season and the three labs that the family couldn't take when they moved, I stopped in to see the persian cat and the blue russian as I had never seen one. Take a visit to our shelter before you write your next article and a few others, I don't buy your article for one minute, you must be a profitable breeder, as for me, I can find any breed I want at my local shelter if I just wait long enough.

Jan

I do have experience working as a volunteer at local shelters and no, I am not a breeder. Obviously there are some purebred dogs in shelters. The 25% figure is ridiculous, based on an old study of limited shelters.

Cynthia

Just wondering.. Even if this 25% "statistic" were true, wouldn't that mean that 75% of dogs in shelters are a mix of some sort?

Kristin

WHO cares if the statistic is accurate, the POINT is, there are millions of perfectly good dogs and cats being euthanized each year for lack of good homes and from irresponsible breeding. Breeders only contribute to the problem! Just remember, everytime you support breeders by buying from them, you sentence a shelter pet to death all because you had to have a certain "type" of dog. Once society proves that they are collectively responsible enough to end the madness of mass euthanization by selecting shelter pets and by spay and neutering, then breeding might not be a problem. Until then, it is.

jan

If I can repeat myself I don't think it is anyone's business where another person decides to get a dog. A person DOES NOT CONDEMN A SHELTER DOG TO DEATH BY BUYING A PUREBRED DOG. I suggest you read Nathan Winograd's Redemption to get a realistic picture of the situation and stop lecturing people on the subject.

Paul

I see lots of people quoting that research from the "JOURNAL OF APPLIED ANIMAL WELFARE SCIENCE" which states that 25% of shelter dogs are purebred (characteristicsofshelter.pdf). Many suggested this supports an anti-breeder position and that we shouldn't buy dogs from breeders.

To everybody who reached that conclusion... You people are SOOOOO stupid it'd be a miracle if you could actually take care of yourself--let alone a dog--so don't waste your time posting to a blog like this, spend that time getting a remedial education and maybe try to get a high school diploma.

For the rest of us who actually finished high school, and who have an IQ over, say 70, the concept of basic percentages is really quite simple. That document clearly states that 24.2% of all dogs in shelters are purebred, AND, it also says that 50% of the total dogs in households are purebred. That means that if you buy a purebred dog, it is less than HALF as likely to end up in shelter, or, basically, you're TWICE as likely to want to keep a purebred dog vs. a mixed breed. And, if you buy a dog from a breeder, your are MORE THAN TWICE as likely to keep it. 21.1% of dogs in homes are from breeders, but only 10.6% in shelters. Duh dope dee doh. No sane person can look at those figures and say 'Gosh, getting a dog from a breeder is a bad thing'... If you people had a functioning brain and the slightest bit of compassion for the dog, and wanted to see fewer dogs killed in shelters, you'd be arguing that we should ONLY buy dogs from breeders, because of the 9 possible ways to obtain a dog listed in that survey, the dogs obtained from breeders were far and away the most likely to stay in the home, away from the shelter, and not get killed.

The fact is that

Dog House Plans

We got a miniature schnauzer from a rescue and had him for 6 years. He became part of our family. Cooper has since passed away, but we will definitely look to rescue another dog when we are ready to get our next dog.

Monalisa

Actually, it isn't the law-abiding, responsible breeders that HSUS or ASPCA (etc..) has a problem with, it is the puppy mills, and the border-line puppy-mills that they have a problem with. They do not want to eliminate house-pets and domestic animals (Wayne Pacelle-the founder of HSUS- has pets!), they want to eliminate the number of animals that spend their lives in cramped, filthy conditions, being forced to churn out litter after litter of pups just to turn a profit. In fact, the HSUS has said many times "adopt or go to a responsible breeder.." and they also assist you on the proper questions to ask to make sure the breeder is a responsible one. They praise responsible breeders, and IF you ARE a responsible breeder, than you don't have anything to worry about!

Stephen

All too often I hear complaints of puppy mills, but my experience is that of rescue mills. In the past ten years in my hometown there has never been a documented puppy mill but there have been over 20 instances of rescue mills. I grant that these people had good intentions when they began to take on rescue dogs, but due to various circumstances (loss of lease, or income, etc.) they wound up with more dogs than they could care for and our county animal control officers had to remove them, often starving and in hideous, deplorable conditions.
Thank you Paul for doing the math, so often a simple statistic gets abused beyond comprehension.

Chris

Paul - The conclusions you stated, based on the Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science article, are faulty. You state that "24.2% of all dogs in shelters are purebred, AND,that 50% of the total dogs in households are purebred. That means that if you buy a purebred dog, it is less than HALF as likely to end up in shelter, or, basically, you're TWICE as likely to want to keep a purebred dog vs. a mixed breed. And, if you buy a dog from a breeder, your are MORE THAN TWICE as likely to keep it."

Correlation does not equal causation. You are attributing to a cause (purebred owners want their dogs more) from a mere correlation (the percentages,) but that's not necessarily the whole picture. These statistics are only relevant to those dogs relinquished to a shelter. Owners of purebred dogs who choose not to keep them may be privately selling them, giving them away or turning in their animal to a limited admission shelter. From these statistics you can NOT conclude that a purebred dog is twice as likely to stay in a home. Dogs are simply changing hands that these statistics don't reflect. So your conclusion is faulty.

Business Reference

I just wanted to say that I find the 25% pure-bred figure a little dubious.
I've known dogs that appeared in every way to be pure Rottweiler,only I also knew that the Sire was Rott,and the Dame was Lab mix...Like you said,without the actual pedigree,I think it's guess as guess can on the part of intake personell.
Should we get into the discussion about outcrossing as a means of adding vigor to the breed?..

Dog Grooming Edinburgh

Very interesting read here! Good to see it has stirred up so much interest

ConstitutionGirl1976

I cannot even believe this post. Seriously arguing the validity of whether a dog in the shelter is pure bred or not??? You can't even prove your own Pure bred papered dog is a purebred!!! I've seen poms that were long haired Chihuahuas for Heaven's sake. I believe this statistic to be accurate if not understated. While volunteering at Shelters I'd say that MAJORITY of dogs could pass a purebred, and if they pass as purebred, they were probably SOLD as purebred! And if not sold as purebred, they were bred from people who bought purebreds and decided they would breed their female once or weren't responsible enough to have their animals neutered! and YES you most certainly do kill a shelter dog by not rescuing. You've got your nice little AKC certified maltese sitting in your lap, while another perfectly great dog, that you could have rescued, gets put down!!! Do you think there are endless numbers of people shopping for dogs out there???

And Vick's dogs are a whole other story. If you've ever dealt with dogs who come from violent fighting situations you would know that there is little to NO chance of rehabilitation for them. Do you want a vicious dog in your home? Does your city have the funding to spend on their countless months of obedience training? Michael Vick is HORRIBLE man and for what he did, and countless others like him, his punishment wasn't nearly harsh enough, but there are very few options for dogs coming from that.

ConstitutionGirl1976

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhXHFOrBbEc

gimmeten

ha pure breed dogs are NOT in shelters - you have to buy them from a good breeder. if you want a good dog, buy one from someone you know.

Karla Brewster

Excellent Article....Now, what I want to know is this....How am I, as a breeder, responsible for the Rottie in the shelter, when I didn't personally put it there? IN all my years of breeding Rotties---and I am not a COE breeder by any stretch of the imagination, only one dog that I have ever had pass through my hands(I got that dogs dam from an idiot who didn't have clue---the bitch came to me pregnant, and I whelped the litter---I did not breed the dog personally, nor would I have, given that she was severely dysplastic) ever ended up in a shelter...and, guess what? That was the puppy the the guy who gave me the dog took back as "payment" for the dog. I ended up going and getting the dog, after it was neutered, and placing it in a responsible home...

Again, A) I didn't breed the litter(I did whelp and place it) B) I didn't dump the dog in the pound(the original owner did)...So, how is it my fault, again as a breeder that dogs are dying? It isn't any breeders fault unless they are personally walking that dog into the shelter and dumping it there.

Now, let's talk mandatory speutering....Hey, I know, let's make mandatory speutering a law for humans until every single human child has a good home...how about that....Now, all you men step up and have your nuts cut off....Yeah...

But, as I type this, I am sitting here in Italy, Rome to be exact....and you know somehting...I have yet to come across a speutered dog...Including my own guide dog, who is a Rottie, who is very much intact and in heat right now....and, guess what...No OOPS litters here...

As to the HSUS...Yeah, Whyne really like animals...he has stated more than once that he doesn't. Yeah, they really do alot of good for animals, what with their lies and propoganda....Why not take that money and put it where it is really needed? Not manadatory speutering laws, but low/no cost speutering clinics in poor neighborhoods where people can't afford it.

Dogs in rental housing? I moved with me and my dogs into a warehouse because we couldn't find a place to live. When I return to the states? We will continue to live in a warehouse(I came to italy for work, btw).

So,let's drop the nonsense. Most folks can't tell a lab/golden mix from the purebred Flatcoated retriever(and, yup, there are huge differences...) but the lies exist....If it aint got double dew claws, it probably isn't a beauceron....alot of those Rotties? Dobweilers, or labweilers...not that they aren't great dogs..

BTW< as a service dog trainer, I don't want someone's cast offs/problems. I want a purebred dog that I know where it came from(usually retired show stock, or hunting stock). I can't temperment test for everything, and I aint about to stake my reputation on a dog when I am not sure it wasn't beaten on by a man with handlebar mustache that wears old spice....

BTW< before you start preaching other orgs? Check your facts....less than 25percent success rate...I have a 90 percent success rate....I'll keep mine...

So,there you have it...from the flu ridden bed in Rome Italy, where I have yet to see a stray dog, or a speutered dog...

Teri

All of you stop!, the truth is at the end of the day thousands of dogs, purebred, mutts, old young are killed in shelters. What's worse then that is what they may have already felt , pain, fear, lonlyness and hunger and cold.. So stop saying stupid shit to each other and start coming up with solutions . Breeders should have the same requirements as shelters , spay and neuter all the dogs they sell, pay much higher permits, and be ready to take back the dogs if needed( 1in 4 don't stay in the same home ) the same should apply to the horse industries these are living beings ! Much has to change , shelters are understaffed under budgeted and maybe in some cases not open to change, it is hard but it won't help any of the animals waiting in our system for the sad fate if people waste the energy on petty crap go do something donate get the word out . Tha amount of sheps, pits, and toy dogs in shelters is a tragic shame .

BuddyBoy

Mutts all the way. :) ADOPT don't shop. Save a life.

Charlotte

ConstitutionGirl, do your research. The Vick dogs were rehabilitated, and some became therapy dogs.

If you don't believe what HSUS says about purebred dogs in shelters, visit some shelter and animal control Facebooks and websites.

I don't have time to read all of these comments and respond, but if you "like" shelter pages on FB, you will have a constant stream of vivid photographic images of the innocent animals that are killed every day. Look at those photos for a while and then decide if you want to quibble.

Charlotte

This statement is untrue: "Unless a dog comes into a shelter holding his AKC pedigree in his teeth, there is no way anyone can tell for sure if the dog is purebred."

Even the AKC acknowledges that a dog's breed can be determined without papers. Look up the Purebred Alternative Listing with the AKC.

And, actually, some dogs do enter shelters with their registration papers.

If someone wants a dog of a particular breed, they should contact breed-specific rescues. And if you can't find the dog you're looking for in your geographic location, there are regular transports across the country to help death-row dogs get to safety.

With millions of dogs being euthanized every year, simply because they don't have homes, how can you justify another litter of pups?

Every day, I see photos of mamas and their young puppies, on death row in shelters across the country. I can't bear it. How can you?

Kevin

Here is the problem:

There are more dogs in shelters than people want, so the unwanted ones end up euthanized.

There are people who demand only "pure bred" dogs, which sometimes can't be found in shelters or rescues, and breeders make the supply for them, which makes them good money.

Here is the solution:

People who "must" have pure bred dogs need to open their minds to the most important aspect of a dog, it's temperament. Then go find a dog at a shelter/rescue that matches their wants/needs. Who cares what it's breed is?

Mary Jo

I just stumbled across this post of yours again and found a few comments absolutely NOT TRUE. First of all the ultimate goal of animal right groups is to eliminate pets and other domestic animals is simple an untrue statement. The ultimate goal of many of these groups is to be the voice for defenseless animals stuck in horrible situations for the greed of people who are heartless and inhumane in their treatment of these animals. I live in Missouri and sadly we are the #1 Puppy MIll State in the nation. I have seen first hand many puppy mills and let me tell you I don't care how tough skinned you are it breaks your heart to see animals treated so cruelly for the sake of money. If we didn't have organizations that tried to help these animals WHO WOULD and no organization is perfect by any means but to accuse HSUS of doing this is so FEAR DRIVEN. I have personally spoken to Wayne Pacelle and he is a very passionate and compassionate person who isn't an extremist but rather realizing he is up against the giant industry FARM AND AGRICULTURE INDUSTRY that God forbid you dare try to tell them what to do or that they might be treating animal cruel and you will witness first hand what ADULT BULLYING is. This industry should of self policed themselves for years but they got greedy and out of control at the cost of animals misery and I'm not against breeders but we have way to many perfectly adoptable wonderful animals in shelters and YES there are breed specific rescues too in every state. I have fostered dogs for over 10 years and I rarely have one with issues of any kind just poor little ones who got caught in the middle of situations with no fault of their own.My personal experience is 25% of dogs in shelters are purebred and yes many times you do know this as the owner surrenders them after they had purchase them with papers. I think we all need to quit being so judgmental on any organization trying to help animals in need out and try to be more understanding that none of us let alone any organization is perfect and without fault. I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion but lets not be over critical or judgmental with TOO MUCH GENERALIZATION. I love Jan's blog and think sometimes a healthy conversation when people are truly open to each others opinions are great but it concerns me with statements that are way out there. I do not work for HSUS or have ever contributed money to them but I know in my heart and mind they are trying to help animals out in horrific situations the best they can.

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